What camara?

topic posted Sat, December 25, 2004 - 7:33 PM by  !A-Dawg!
!Yo... Hey, I'm needing a new camara.
What camara is the one I need?
If you know, please let me know. I'm thinking digital for the first time(SLR). I've been shooting on a K-1000!!! Yes, like a 1977 pentax with a sweet 17mm lens. I like it. But, with all the fear and terror in the world today, I'm thinking digital! ???Rebal? Nicon?

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    Re: What camara?

    Sat, December 25, 2004 - 7:46 PM
    First of all, there is no need to abandon your K-1000. It's a great manual film camera. But if you're used to shooting 35mm film with a 17mm lens, you're in for an adjustment in the digital world. Most digital sensors have a 1.5x field of view (FOV) crop, meaning a 17mm lens frames like a 25mm lens. Full frame sensors are expensive (see Kodak DSLR/n or/c, 14n, and Canon 1Ds or 1Ds Mk II). So once you've adjusted to not shooting as wide as you have in the past, then most folks just starting with digital who want interchangeable lenses are choosing between the Nikon D70 and the Digital Rebel or Canon 10D or 20D. If don't already have lenses in a particular family (and Pentax isn't the industry leader), then it really is six of one, half a dozen of the other. I shoot Nikon lenses, but the Canon line is nice. You'll find plenty of debate about this on Digital Photography Review, which basically exists to test and compare the new cameras in the digital revolution. Their discussion boards are also sometimes useful, sometimes pedantic, and sometimes just annoying. www.dpreview.com
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      Re: What camara?

      Sun, December 26, 2004 - 7:41 PM
      The D70 is a very nice camera. I am a bit of a Nikon slut. But if you can afford it take the step to the Dqx. They are going to come down in price with the introduction of the D2X. The additional features better software and mechanical shutter is worth the extra money.
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        Mon, December 27, 2004 - 9:19 AM
        I have been using a manual Chinon SLR for years until it broke on me finally, very tough camera, also I had a manual Sears model SLR that is still going strong, both had screw mount lenses and produced excellent results. i have though always drooled over the Nikons, from the moment I saw the F4, then the F5 and now the digital slr's. I dont have one at the moment but one day I will. I recently purchased a Nikon N4004S SLR from a co-worker that just had it in the case and not using it. Cheap price and the camera is in like new condition. So far, its been great. Finally got me a taste of Nikon in my hands, and I dont think I will turn back
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        Tue, December 28, 2004 - 11:05 AM
        I'm also a Nikon slut.

        I went kicking and screaming into the digital world. Sold all my F4's and bought a Nikon D1x. I haven't regretted it for a second. In fact, I bought my second body last month. Bee Dragon is right, they've come down a lot from the original $5k price tag.
        • Re: What camara?

          Tue, December 28, 2004 - 7:34 PM
          ! hey, Thanx you guys.
          I'm down with Nikon, they seam real hi-quality. I need to shoot real wide, and print as big as possible! I don't want to adjust to "not as wide".
          Does Nikon have enough mp's to "go big"?
          Price is not an issue, I'd rather pay to much for the one! than pay less for not good enough.
          I see 4 mp's, 8.1 mp's, 11.1 mp's, 16.7 mp's.

          You guys are cool. (helpful)

          !A-Dawg!
          • Re: What camara?

            Fri, December 31, 2004 - 6:40 AM
            if you are interested in printing as big as possible, I will suggest that you look into the sigma line sd-9, and sd-10. even though it says that it is 3.54 megapixels, its resolution is actually 3.54 cubed they advertise that it is equivilent to 10.5, that is because the sensor is not a true cmos...it is a tripple layer sensor where every pixel recorded is a true color....interpolation so good it may scare you...I took a picture of the seattle skyline, and blew it up to i kilometer wide...yes, i kilometer....all i saw were blocky primaries, but when i shrink it down to a paltry billboard size....i could read the lisence plate on a vehicle on the freeway.....

            there are some drawbacks to the sd-9 and sd-10...such as the throngs of people that are just plain biased against sigma and their past reputation, and the rapid shutter on hi res mode is relatively useless due to the narrow info pipeline(you have to wait for images to save), and SA mount lenses are only made by sigma(i dont mind that), but it is a good solid camera, the software is awesome, and the body is less than 800 bucks. camerasandelectronics.com has many affordable body's and full kits. check it out
          • Re: What camara?

            Fri, February 22, 2008 - 11:57 AM


            > I need to shoot real wide, and print as big as possible! I don't want to adjust to "not as wide".

            Note that, with the "APS-C" crop-factor, wide is a bit harder to get... you'll be able to go "wider" on a full-frame body (film, or one of the (few) full-frame DSLR's). HOWEVER, the digital-specific lenses do go pretty F'ing wide, even allowing for the crop.

            Tamron's 11-18, for example, goes to about a 16-27mm equivalent; available in several mounts (as an upside, from about 14mm and longer, it doesn't vignette even on FF bodies!) . Sigma and Tokina also offer lenses in similar ranges (10-20 & 12-24... one's a FF, IIRC, but I don't recall which). Tamron also makes a 14/2.8 that's FF. I believe they subcontract that lens and it carries a Nikkor badge if you buy it from Nikon, but the same glass can be had from Tamron for less... Finally, Tamron has just announced a new 10-24 in APS-C format; no word how it'll vignette on FF.

            One thing about getting a FF body: Nikon's *just* moved into the (nearly) FF market-space, and Sony has announced a new FF sensor (presumably, it'll go in their own body, and others too). So, Canon finally gets some competition in the digital-FF world... It could be worth waiting a while for this to shake out...


            - Steve
  • Re: What camara?

    Tue, December 28, 2004 - 7:38 PM
    Ah, but what do you want to shoot ?

    I've owned Manual focus Nikons for years and love them. No repairs ever. Interchangable lenses 20 years later.

    However, I just couldn't make a beautiful fine art print until I switched to medium format. $300 can put you in a Mamiya C220 with a fast 80mm 2.8 lens. Now I hardly ever shoot 35mm. I've got digital budies who shoot 4x5 and Medium format when they are doing personal work and want to make prints for exhibition.

    I can't figure out the math for digital. I've priced the paper, inks, printers, and camera life span and I can't make sense of how it's cheaper than film. Maybe if you never print. Or maybe use a lab to print.
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      Fri, December 31, 2004 - 3:20 PM
      I think the math prolly depends on what you're doing and where your skills lie.

      Working backwards...

      Big prints done on lightwriter come from digital. if you're shooting digital, you're all set = $0, or perhaps a quick pass through photoshop = near $0. If you're shooting film, you have to develop, print, scan, and setup, which is a hefty cost. These are lab work either way so the printing costs are identical - once you get the film shots into digital format.

      If you're publishing magazines, papers, doing layout, or web work, you prolly want your work in digital format, in fact, about the only time I can see that you might not want digital is for fine art. Or if your 35mm is clean enough to blow up as is and you want those prints.

      Digital domain isn't cheap to blow up just yet. 8 megapixel seems to do 8x10 ok and the few I've blown to 10x15 look fine to me. But we likely have different tolerances and criterion here. You may not be happy with 8Mpixel at 8x10. In which case your digital cameras would be pretty significantly expensive.

      Me, I'm a computer engineer. Anything in the digital domain is MINE. I have total control and near trivial access. I've always hated film. Expensive to buy, tedious to develop, it never comes out right, no backups, you can't do it a second time, post processing is a royal pain, etc.

      I tripped my shutter about 15k times in the last 6 weeks. Of those, I printed maybe 500 4x6 prints around the corner for $.25 each and another 30 or so 8x10's for about $5 each. About 2k of those shots will go onto dvd, some others onto web sites, and I'll be producing cd's for all the models at about $.50/cd, and some others I've already shipped by email for essentially no additional cost beyond my standard overhead. Canon 20d cost ~$1500, my 4g microdrive cost $160. Lens cost is a wash because you'd mostly use the same lenses for film or digital, right? Call it $500 in printing costs & $2k in camera equipment.

      What's a comparable film camera cost? $700? Ok, so you'd be $1300 ahead on the equipment. But then, 15k shots, call it, what? 20 shots per roll, at ~$10/roll+processing? I count that in at around $7500, not to mention storage and filing costs for all those useless prints, negatives, etc. And we haven't even started talking about scanning costs, prep for cd, for dvd, or for web.

      That's how it's cheaper for me anyway.
  • Re: What camara?

    Mon, February 18, 2008 - 10:19 PM
    That's almost a politically charged question, LOL. Kinda like are you democrat or republican...
    I'm a Canon user and fan myself, but acknowledge Nikon has recently come out with a very good camera/s too.
    Picture quality is comparable on both brands.
    Being a very non-partisan person, I think the choice really boils down to what you want.
    If you prefer simplicity, then perhaps Canon will suit you better. If you like customization, then Nikon perhaps is the better choice for you.
    You can buy a used Canon 10d or Nikon D70 for almost nothing these days, and they were orginally $1500 cameras. They might be a good start for someone just getting into digital and not doing photographing as a full-time professional, and yet they are plenty good enough for some freelance work. You might also consider investing in an accessory flash, perhaps a used 550ex for canon.

    Good luck.

  • Re: What camara?

    Tue, February 19, 2008 - 2:12 AM
    Honestly...

    I'd either go with Nikon or Canon. Personally I'm a Nikon user and don't plan on switching, but there's a reason why these two are at the top of their game.

    My only other critique, is if possible I'd go for something above the D70... (ie D80, D200, D300, D3) ... This might just be a bias, since, I've overheated the board in my D70 for how aggressively I shoot. The D200 handles it without a problem (knocks on wood). But I guess it just comes down to style of shooting at that point. I personally love the D200 (though now I wish it was a D300).

    I've shot almost every digital camera out there, and Canon and Nikon are the only ones that make me appreciate photography.... But in the end it comes down to what feels good in your hand. If you don't enjoy holding the camera you are not going to enjoy shooting it.
  • Re: What camara?

    Tue, February 19, 2008 - 1:34 PM
    Dawg, what the largest you will print?


    Well, for me – and I’m no where near as knowledgeable as most others here, I’m an Olympus fan. Nikon (followed by Cannon) is apparently at the top of the mountain, but dare I suggest some consideration for the others?
    From what I’ve read - what seems to really set Nikon apart from the others is their strobist capabilities – multi flash setups.

    “…Price is not an issue,…”

    If I had the money I would get Olympus’s E3 with their latest lens system.

    Oly has taken a new tac with digital – going with a 4:3 aspect ratio instead of 3:2; again I am not an expert, but it seems to me to be a very logical direction to go – taking more advantage of what the lens has to offer (sorry, not much good in breaking this down).
    The lenses: ZUIKO DIGITAL Supersonic Wave Drive (SWD) like the ED 12-60mm f2.8-4.0 (24-120mm equivalent), - THESE ARE NOT CHEAP.
    The E-3 is “splash proof”, pro-grade and claims to have the fastest auto focus.
    Image Stabilization is built into the body, so you don’t need it built into each lens (as I interpret it).
    5 frames-per-second continuous shooting; 19 image RAW buffer.
    It has improved external flash capabilities (ir I think).
    It is “only” 10 mp – but I think there are factors to consider when going with more mp (such as noise and the fact you can create a larger image file with post processing interpolation techniques).
    I think 10mp is plenty for most of us.
    11 AF target points.
    Magnesium alloy body.
    Built in sensor cleaner (the Supersonic Wave Filter).
    Swivel LCD (I use mine quite often with my Oly C-5060 – wouldn’t want to give that up).
    And – to me this is pretty significant (but maybe that reflects on my amateur status) the LCD give you “live” view not just review after the shot.

    I think we are looking at a little under $2500 for a lens and body; which I would think price wise is pretty competitive with other brands – upper levels (I think that’s with the swd 12-60).


    Reviews:
    Steve’s Digicam gives a very indepth review here:
    www.steves-digicams.com/2007_r...e3.html

    A blogger’s indepth review:
    www.photographyblog.com/review..._e3.php

    And then there is the OLY promos – the videos are fun to watch if you can get them to play:

    www.olympusamerica.com/e3/index.asp
    (click on the photographer’s names for more multi-media pro-reviews)
  • Re: What camara?

    Thu, February 21, 2008 - 10:28 AM
    That's a really hard question!! Nikon and Canon both make really great cameras. I have a really hard time choosing sometimes. Recently I bought a Nikon D300 and it really rocks. Basically, you have to choose what you like. If you want to print really big, get something 10 or more mega pixels. It'll be pretty hard to print something so big that this wouldn't benefit you. The D300 comes at 12.3 Mega pixels and I think that it rocks, but then again, that's my opinion. I would at least take a look though.
  • Re: What camara?

    Mon, April 7, 2008 - 7:36 AM
    I started shooting at 7 in 1958. Was a combat Fotog during Vietnam and then Grad. from Art Center and opened an Advertising Photog business. For years and years I shot my Canon F1 and EOS. Now I would ONLY shoot digital. You can get a used but like new Nikon or Canon for half the price. I'm currently shooting a Nikon D200 and love it .

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